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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 14 Aug 2017 03:40 #1

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Well it was almost a perfect two weeks. Finished it off with two days on the hook in Deer Harbor. When I went to pull the hook it was stuck harder than I have ever experienced. After trying the typical maneuvers I called in a diver, turns out along the west side of the harbor direct across from the marina there is a sunk sailboat about 26ft in length waiting for the unaware. Apparently it has been there for some time but it is not marked, or indicated on any charts. Anyone visiting the Harbor should be aware.

I managed to swing my chain under it and really snagged it hard. We ended up leaving it tied to a fender and are now planning our strategy to get it retrieved. Since it is an Ultra anchor, with Ultra swivel and all 300 ft of my rode it is worth several $k. Anyone know a good salvage dive team that might be able to lift bag the boat, or perhaps somebody might have some other ideas that might be useful for a reasonable fee?

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 14 Aug 2017 04:11 #2

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Well that sucks. You could have a diver remove the anchor from the road and at least salvage it without the chain.

One good thing, you didn't have to worry about dragging your anchor.

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Is it in such a position that a line can be attached to the head by a diver and then you pull it out backwards with the winch?

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 15 Aug 2017 06:55 #5

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What a bummer. i nearly anchored in DH recently. Thanks for the heads up and letting others know. You'd think they might marknit or add a buoy to prevent that happening.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 15 Aug 2017 20:55 #6

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If you have a real good GPS location I would think it's not more than contacting USGC Sector 13 to report a discrepancy. That should, imo, cause a note about an unmarked wreck.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 15 Aug 2017 21:39 #7

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Well so far no luck in retrieving the anchor,
A) Contacted the Dept of Natural Resiurces, they are responsible for clearing waterways of derelict vessels and wrecks, they appreciated our input, but classified this as a level 4 not a hazard to navigation and very unlikely they will do anything to remove it.
B) contacted the coast guard, they took the information and were appreciative, again it was considered a low risk to navigation and are not likely to invest in marking it with a bouy.
C) as for retrieval, it was suggested to try and get a large vessel with a Crane on deck to try and pull it free, the vessel owner is understandably concerned over his liability as we learned that if he disturbed the wreck and it floats free he would be responsible to remove the wreck.
D) salvage diver quick conversation was it is likely to heavy for lift bags
E) still have a call to a recommended diver and will discuss if it is worth searching for the chain on the anchor side of the wreck, while we know where the chain goes under the wreck from our bitter end, the water and bottom are very murky causing poor visibility, the chain is likely somewhat buried in the muck and it is in 40 ft of water the depth starts limiting how much time the diver can stay down.

F) so far it is looking like a very expensive lesson. I had recently read "Happy Hooking" and they talked about trip lines and how they can really be worth the few extra minutes and effort should you get your hook stuck. I put it on my to do list to get a small bouy and line and did not follow through and to be honest I likely would not have used it due to my misguided perception that that is something you need in a remote anchorage. I did buy a slip ring and had it on board, but it was not useful in this situation as It needs to get past the wreck to be of use.

So, anyone have a good source for 5/16 windlass chain? Anyone have an anchor lying around they want to be rid of? I need something around 50 to 60 lb.

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Happy, the bottom time at 40 feet is pretty long is about an hour. The bit about the lift bags is not as gee-whiz as it sounds. It's just a heavy duty balloon that the diver can manipulate using air from his regular. I'm thinking most of the commercial divers are busy, just like the mechanics, with what's "active". Maybe one of those October jobs. As to getting from now until then, there's this guy, seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bpo/d/radar-pedestal/6245130538.html at Dagmars and I seem to remember almost tripping over sone big ones at the shop in Poulsbo.
I found a few others 22kg is about 48 pounds seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bpo/d/stainle...nged/6263949970.html
seattle.craigslist.org/see/bpo/d/cqr-75-...-way/6265296960.html
There were a bunch more for chain, rode, etc. including a few butt ugly ones. I searched Anchor under boat parts.
Good luck.
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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 15 Aug 2017 23:19 #9

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Why would you leave it all there?

If it is really stuck - pull until it is as far up as you can get it and cut it off as close to the waterline as you can. Then you lose whatever depth is there for chain and obviously the anchor, minimizing your losses.

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Did you put a buoy or anything on the rhode where you cut it?
I have dive gear, not sure when I'll have time though.

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kwb wrote: Why would you leave it all there?

If it is really stuck - pull until it is as far up as you can get it and cut it off as close to the waterline as you can. Then you lose whatever depth is there for chain and obviously the anchor, minimizing your losses.


We left it intact for now with an intent to retrieve it with some expertise. Truth is the chain is a nominal cost the anchor is where the real loss is. Currently the chain helps find the location.

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green650 wrote: Did you put a buoy or anything on the rhode where you cut it?
I have dive gear, not sure when I'll have time though.


I will PM you.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 16 Aug 2017 01:49 #13

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Someone suggested this already, if the anchor is spendy it could be removed from the chain by a diver and brought up with a separate line. The diver could help diagnose the angle at which the chain needs to be yanked out from under the sunken boat once the anchor is removed.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 16 Aug 2017 02:43 #14

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Really sorry for your problem. We all should expect a similar episode at some time in the future. This is especially true for those that anchor out a lot. Do you have the specific GPS coordinates of the wreck. It won't help you but will be a tremendous help to any others that may try to anchor in Deer Harbor.

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builderdude wrote: Someone suggested this already, if the anchor is spendy it could be removed from the chain by a diver and brought up with a separate line. The diver could help diagnose the angle at which the chain needs to be yanked out from under the sunken boat once the anchor is removed.


Yes if only it were that easy, the water visibility is very poor and the diver we hired was not able to locate the chain on the anchor side of the wreck in the muck. Since I did not mark the anchor and had not set a trip line we do not know where exactly the anchor and chain are on the anchor side of the wreck. As we were there for two days and did swing a bit the entire thing could be buried. It could take some time to locate and at $250 per hour per diver I was not excited about paying for a sustained effort. I will be back up to the Harbor with my personal dive gear and a friend and we will have more time at a more affordable rate should it take a few hours. We could spend a few days at it if we time out.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 17 Aug 2017 05:46 #16

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rbcooper wrote: Really sorry for your problem. We all should expect a similar episode at some time in the future. This is especially true for those that anchor out a lot. Do you have the specific GPS coordinates of the wreck. It won't help you but will be a tremendous help to any others that may try to anchor in Deer Harbor.


Yes we have coordinates, however when we gave them to the person at the DNR they indicated the coordinates showed up being on land. Either I made an error in writing them down, or the DNR entered them wrong, or something else is out of synch with the charts but before I post them I will verify they are correct. I will be back up to DH ilikely next week.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 17 Aug 2017 05:54 #17

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Well, I had hopped for a quick resolution and was interested in getting professional help, but after calling a lot of people and considering the going rate of a diver is over $200 per hour I have decided to go after it myself. While I have not been diving for several years I am certified and have gear, also have a friend who has recently certified so this now becomes an adventure.

After we make the attempt I will share the result. Likely to not be until next week sometime.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 17 Aug 2017 06:00 #18

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Get a go pro and film it. I feel your pain here but will be a really interesting story to follow.
I have no idea about diving or visibility but if you have the rode to folllow I can t see how you can't locate it and get her out.
I hope that's the case. Good luck.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 18 Aug 2017 13:07 #19

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it sounds like a wonderful adventure and i'd love to do that.
i've been around sailboats all my life. and dived a few sailboat
wrecks. there's lots of annoying wire rigging that could
surround the wreck. stuff that can snag an anchor, chain, etc,
including a diver! ;)

I'd dive with a small wire cutting tool, just in case...
go at low tide? what depth at that time?
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"As we were there for two days and did swing a bit the entire thing could be buried. It could take some time to locate and at $250 per hour per diver I was not excited about paying for a sustained effort. I will be back up to the Harbor with my personal dive gear and a friend and we will have more time at a more affordable rate should it take a few hours. We could spend a few days at it if we time out."

Had a similar issue here many years back and we returned with our dive gear. Did not want to get too near a wreck and was able to easily find the chain with our historical GPS track locations. We brought along an empty 50 gallon drum with a set of nylon lift straps around the drum - lowered the drum to a low part of the chain and attached with a simple chain lock, then began to fill the drum with air from the bottom.
It was not even 1/3rd full when the anchor began to lift away.
Good luck with whatever strategy you try.
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What about an insurance claim ?

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 26 Aug 2017 19:06 #22

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If you can't retrieve it, perhaps we should put a collection together for a BOC mooring buoy, at least you'd know it was good and secure.

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iceclimber wrote: What about an insurance claim ?


Absolutely. You've met your attempted recovery obligation.

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Stuck Anchor in Deer Harbor 27 Aug 2017 15:20 #24

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Given the interest in my plight I thought I'd give an update.

Well, I had said I had not been diving in a while, I am certain I am the only person with time lapses. I was thinking it had been maybe 4 to 5 years, ...... well 2x that is more like the actual time. :ohmy:

Tanks are out of cert and need to go to the shop, gear needs servicing, a few things are just no longer useable. None of this is a stopper just causes some delay while I get everything in order.

As mentioned this is now an adventure, Since the local shop had a class starting and I am delayed to get the equipment serviced I invited my son to get his certification and come along now it's a family adventure. Also have one of our BOC members who may come along. Maybe we make it a rendezvous and a treasure hunt:)

As for an insurance claim, this all comes in around the cost of my deductible (seriously) and my Tow Boat Towing does not pay for dives.

If we don't get it back I like the idea of a BOC mooring bouy,:P

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I luv it. we need adventurer spirits!

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