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Sun Shade material 13 Mar 2010 03:11 #1

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Many of the crusiers in the marina have Black/White/Beige screen over the outside of the windows. From the inside you can see out but it looks solid from the outside and you can't see in. I see similar material in the hardware store garden department but I don't think it's the same. Does anyone know the brand name of this material and where you can get it.

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Phifertex is one of the more common trade names for it.

Most fabric stores have it.
http://www.jackson.ca/Product%20Pages/Sample%20cards/phifertex.htm

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I was getting ready to use Pfifertex, but have you looked at Sunbrella Sunshade?

It's supposed to be more UV stable than Pfifer.

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Textilene is another one.

We put screens on our 2850 CB about 5 years ago and did a lot of researching before going with navy blue vs. white and with the medium weave vs the tight. Consensus was that the darker colors cut glare better than white but at the time I was worried about heat build up since we are in a warm climate. Last November I spent 6 days on a Grand Banks 42 with white screens. That experience confirmed to me that the darker colors do cut the glare and make seeing out from the interior more comfortable. Heat build up has never been a problem.

If you can I would recommend getting on a few boats that have them and looking at the weave and color before making that investment.

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I have the Black Sunbrella shades covering the salon exterior windows. They truely do reduce the heat build up inside, protect the fabrics and wood on the interior and you can see to operate during the day. Tried to operate at night but it really reduced too much light to do so safely unless your making open water passage.
I had thought about adding curtains of Sunbrella around the cockpit cover for air flow during the summer. But have decided to wait as I hope to install a hard top at a later date.

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What about privacy? Would you run around naked in there with mesh and does black or white matter?

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20miler;526762 wrote: What about privacy? Would you run around naked in there with mesh and does black or white matter?


Only if you have a great bod.;)

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There are two types of mesh in Phifertex material. Most you see covering boat windows is 50% viewable and the Phifertex Plus is 90%.

No you can not see inside if you have the plus. You can see inside with the regular stuff though it is hard to determine what you are looking at ;)

We just finished installing the plus... we like it a lot. Word of warning from friends that have canvas for coverings up in the PNW, canvas is more susceptible to mold as it holds in moisture. So if you are in a wet climate... think twice about canvas... Phifertex does not hold moisture and is more resilient to UV damage

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20miler;526762 wrote: What about privacy? Would you run around naked in there with mesh and does black or white matter?


I would imagine the white would reflect away more sunlight, but I think the black looks better. I bought material for both black and white when doing mine (I sewed them myself) and opted for the black for the outside. I also built a set of white snap in mesh covers for the inside for those days when you just want to block the direct sunlight.

The Pfiffertex stuff is really fun to work with too.

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Sun Shade material 07 Dec 2010 02:46 #10

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The black radiates heat, which it has absorbed from the sun. The light colors, like tan, gray, and white, do not. I don't think there's any difference in light blocking value, at least I've never noticed any. We have tan and the boats around us have all sorts of different colors. Obviously this is a popular add-on in AZ.

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Resurrecting this vintage topic on sun shade. We've been attaching beach towels to the bimini with "bimini clips" for shade, but thinking of a more refined solution that can also allow some air to flow. Basic research led me to Sailrite website with the Phifertex mesh material. Decided to do a BOC search and see if there are any opinions on the material and found this topic. Opinions from AZ regarding sun/shade and PNW regarding mold/mildew are very valuable and appreciated! Looks like this material is the thing. Now to get some material and put the wife to work on making some "custom" shades!

Any other recommendations or ideas welcome too!

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Leta made a windshield cover out of a similar material for my boat. I really like the shade it provides. I also like that it is not totally opaque, I can see out when the cover is on.

I can't comment on mold/mildew because I've never had it on in the rain. Also, since mine is a windshield cover, I can't comment on the air flow.
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Norton Rider wrote: Leta made a windshield cover out of a similar material for my boat.


The thought did cross my mind to have a canvas shop make an enclosure using the shade material and the full canvas enclosure that attaches to the bimini as a pattern, including zippers and snaps. Could easily attach just the sections necessary for shade. But cost would likely be way more than I want to pay.

Although, I think the full enclosure might also be a mosquito protection option, but it might cut down too much on air flow which is limited already in the cuddy. We already have a DIY mosquito net that goes over the cuddy hatch that we are still refining.

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Sun Shade material 11 Aug 2017 23:40 #14

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I am thinking of using Shade cloth from H.D. and clip it to the top with those heavy duty metal clips that are used to clip papers together!
Only need enough to cover 2 to 3 sides and can be moved as needed and removed with ease!
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Don, I looked at the shade cloth available from Home Depot or online from gardening/landscaping suppliers, even Amazon. It certainly is an option and inexpensive. Although it does seem thinner and more tarp-like than some of the sun shade materials I've seen used in marine applications. Of course, "marine grade" always adds a cost factor.

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The HD stuff would certainly work for a proof of concept.
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Pcpete wrote: The HD stuff would certainly work for a proof of concept.


That is a fantastic suggestion! I hadn't thought of that. Make some patterns before cutting the expensive stuff.

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We have been using this cloth from H.D. for about 3 years at our house and it has worked well! We take it down in the late fall when the sun has moved far enough south!
It has stood up very well! And cuts the heat very well!
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SwampNut wrote: The black radiates heat, which it has absorbed from the sun. The light colors, like tan, gray, and white, do not. I don't think there's any difference in light blocking value, at least I've never noticed any. We have tan and the boats around us have all sorts of different colors. Obviously this is a popular add-on in AZ.


For anyone wondering what's going on with the color, the black absorbs light and radiates it as infrared (heat). The white absorbs less light and radiates it as infrared, reflects more of the light as white. So the black has less glare because it's eliminating more light from bouncing around inside the cabin.

If the material were inside the cabin, the black would cause the interior to heat up more. But because it's outside, the heat stays outside. If you touched it outside, the black would be hotter than the white.* But glass is mostly opaque to infrared (hence why greenhouses are made of glass), so the additional radiated heat from the black stays outside. Do note that acrylic is transparent to infrared, so if you have plexiglass windows the extra heat will go right through them.

*It's a bit of a misnomer to think of black as absorbing more heat. Black acts like a heat conductor. White like a heat insulator. So during the day when there's an external heat source, the black will be hotter. But at night it will be cooler because it radiates away latent heat faster than white.
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Solandri, this is a a great explanation! I understood the light absorption/reflection aspects of black/white, but not really the relationship to heat as you explain. Thanks!

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